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Polanc89 (es) |  0 | 2021-12-22 12:40:41 |
 Juan Ayuso looks for a team in 4D for next season. No long term, only want to stay one season more in 4D. |
adriano (fr) | 1 | 2022-01-03 11:54:24 |
le team limousin 87 recrute...the Limousin 87 team is recruiting ... el equipo de Limousin 87 está reclutando... il team Limousin 87 sta reclutando... das Team von Limousin 87 rekrutiert ... |
| Polanc89 (es) | 1 | 2022-01-07 11:35:59 |
Have you seen how empty 4D is? Does this make sense? |
dropshot (fr) | 1 | 2022-01-07 12:27:01 |
For the moment, this D4 is a real nonsense. But maybe some newbies will reinforce empty teams in a few days or weeks. Or this season will be a stupid one, with always the same 10 players who will share all the victories. And many, soooo many empty runs. Maybe, on some stages, just being here will be enough to take a podium. Not very challenging... |
| Polanc89 (es) | 1 | 2022-01-14 12:26:51 |
It's early, a few hours left. But today for a CDM 11 registered cyclists. |
| Polanc89 (es) | 1 | 2022-03-08 17:10:43 |
migue82 (fr) a écrit : It would make sense with an age limitation between 18/19 (or just 18), and a much smaller race schedule. To avoid empty races or with the top10 secured before starting.. Otherwise it is absurd, we have cyclists who will finish the season with 5000/5500 points. |
| babiscus (fr) | 1 | 2022-03-09 00:49:37 |
Polanc89 (es) a écrit : I don't understand your point. If you take off 20+ ages, there will be less riders than now. |
| babiscus (fr) | 2 | 2022-03-09 00:59:09 |
J'ai du mal à comprendre les complaintes. Celui qui veut jouer en D4 pour performer le peut et celui qui ne veut pas va dans une autre division. La question que vous devriez poser aux newbies qui jouent en D1 ou D2, c'est pourquoi ils préfèrent s'ennuyer dans ces divisions plutôt que performer en D4 ? |
| Polanc89 (es) | 2 | 2022-03-09 11:46:53 |
Babiscus, I don't have the solution. But it occurred to me that with a smaller calendar. With much fewer races than now, there would be a healthier and more balanced competition. And I say that about age because with the current situation, even a 24-year-old cyclist could consider being in 4D, enriching their accounts to the maximum in order to develop faster. It generates a somewhat unfair or strange situation. But I insist that I do not have the solution. I only see my cyclist Ayuso with 5,000 points. Prestigious races such as the CDM Gent with 15 registered cyclists. And now why not continue in 4D earning and earning money... a little unfair to others. don't you think? If there was a limit up to 20, I would be forced to go up to 3D and leave the league of learning and money for the youngest. |
| babiscus (fr) | 0 | 2022-03-09 13:03:55 |
If it's so easy to get money in 4d, why so many 18/19 prefer to ride in other division ? You earn much more money in 2D than in 4D. Last update: 2022-03-09 13:17:47 |
| babiscus (fr) | 0 | 2022-03-09 13:29:40 |
Polanc89 (es) a écrit : 1 Léopold Dinaross UCI LeaderYouth Leader Visma-Scott Guinée-Bissao 19 5382 31 2 Juan Ayuso Team Aura 21 Espagne 20 5109 17 3 Jesse Owens Team Aura 21 États-Unis 20 4551 4 4 Moulengo Badiane Team Limousin 87 Zambie 21 4525 10 5 Mathieu Bigouden Visma-Scott France 19 4320 5 6 Iris Princesse Visma-Scott Sao Tomé-et-Principe 20 4069 7 7 Guy Yot Visma-Scott Guinée-Bissao 19 3975 I still don't get your point. Only one rider have more than 20 Years old in the top7. The +20 Years are not in the top. And they would earn widely more money in the other division. Then you want to have less races in 4D. I still don't get the point. Less result and less money for the young riders ? Last update: 2022-03-09 13:31:24 |
| babiscus (fr) | 0 | 2022-03-09 13:55:56 |
Polanc89 (es) a écrit : That's wrong. Try with Oyarzabal next Season in 4d, your rider who will get 24. You'll see what will happen to him. With his black sticker, he will finish last at every races. A 24 Years old earn lot, lot, lot more money in 2D or 1D. |
| Polanc89 (es) | 1 | 2022-03-10 11:08:41 |
Well I am no expert. I only give my opinion and the data that I see. With 15 participants in a CDM... the 16th will earn quite a lot of money no matter how bad it is. Also, we see riders with the black pilld winning races like the Tour De France. To finish, I cannot get the data of the complete season to share it, but my cyclist Ayuso with 20 years has earned much more money for races in 4D than my cyclists Valverde and Oyarzabal in 2D with 23/24 years. And since this is a team game, the teammates who have ridden with him in the same races have won the same as Ayuso. My conclusion is. Close 4D or make a major modification. Drastically reducing the number of races and since there are so few, limiting the age so as not to penalize those 18/19-year-old cyclists. |
| Polanc89 (es) | 1 | 2022-03-10 11:10:31 |
4D has to be a fun split to compete for race wins with your 18 and 19 year old riders. A way to hook new players coming into the game and a place to spend the first few years for the new riders we create. Only that. |
| babiscus (fr) | 0 | 2022-03-10 11:22:36 |
Maybe it's your case because ayuso is a top player. But it's only a case for a minority. My rider in 4d didn't earn more than other, widely less. And thé top 4d rider are almost all less than 21. So i still don't get your point. Who is penalised ? Can you give me the name of a rider who is fooled by this system ? If you want absolutely to give less money for 4d, juste divide per 2 the primes. But in 4d, you earn already widely less than other division. |
| Polanc89 (es) | 1 | 2022-03-10 11:33:30 |
I don't have names and figures of 20 years in 3D who earn less than Ayuso in 4D, my other riders are in 2D and they won less. But there will be I suppose. I do not want to continue in a discussion of two. I think it's obvious that 4D needs a change because it has the same schedule as 3D, 2D and 1D but the number or riders is really different: 1D: 296 2D: 234 3D: 243 4D: 109 Last update: 2022-03-10 11:33:56 |
| babiscus (fr) | 0 | 2022-03-10 11:37:13 |
If they earn less, why they don't come in 4d ? I asked you 2 times this question, you never answered. |
| babiscus (fr) | 0 | 2022-03-10 11:41:43 |
What you don't understand polanc is : you can't have 243 newbies per Season. Your solution : - why 18 yo will come in 4d to ride less ? - how a newbie can enjoy more if he rides less ? - what will happen to the riders who are not training everyday ? The best 20yo rider in 3d is Max Scott (56nd). So you want to impose to 20yo who can enjoy in 4d to bore in 3d. And for what ? For nothing. Just to impose to 18/19yo who currently enjoy in 4d to have less races and to bore. Last update: 2022-03-10 12:03:28 |
| babiscus (fr) | 0 | 2022-03-23 00:30:23 |
Bonne saison à tous  |
| babiscus (fr) | 1 | 2022-03-23 00:31:18 |
Bonne saison à tous |
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